The stone marker or plaque that is shown in the banner with the writing and United spelled with a V.
Is that intentional or or did a total crack head engrave that stone?? :confused:
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The stone marker or plaque that is shown in the banner with the writing and United spelled with a V.
Is that intentional or or did a total crack head engrave that stone?? :confused:
In medieval times, the letters "U" and "V" were used interchangeably.
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In stone carving, V usually replaces U.
Found this answer but I'm still confused, too.
"This lettering ... was the result of developments in the English alphabet. The letter J is a late variant of the Latin I, which gradually differentiated from I in function as well as form until, in the seventeenth century, the distinction between J as a consonant and I as a vowel was fully established. Similarly, the letters V and U are varieties of the same character—the U being simply a cursive form of the letter V, with which it was formerly used interchangeably. U and V were not given separate alphabetical positions until about 1800. The letter W, or double U, sometimes seen as a double V is a survival of this use."
More something like a Roman rivival. In Roman times the U was written with a V. Our National [[Dutch) anthem Is called the Wilhemus. It is the oldest national antem in the world, dating back to 1574. During international sports events or other offical instances only the first verse is played. However, in reality it consest of no less than 15. The first letter of all verses put together form the complete name of William of Orange. In Dutch that's Willem van Nassau. The last verse begins with the letter V so the current combination would be Willlem van Nassov.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Shot
A chart here shows that the Phoenician F begat the Greek Y which begat the Latin V which begat the Latin U [[and W).
Interesting subject.
I can't believe that anyone believes our language was set in stone from day one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buy American
Here's another example from the Lafayette Building:
http://www.buildingsofdetroit.com/si...f0c70b109e.jpg
Note the location of the capital J and U in the California Job Case where printers stored their type:
I have been to many cities photographing buildings and a LOT of buildings have a V instead of U. It's not just here.
I can't believe this thread exists.
Just wow.Quote:
Is that intentional or or did a total crack head engrave that stone??
....wow.
No doubt. He said two totally different ignorant things at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
What are they teaching you kids in school these days? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by One Shot
i miss the old days before the Great Depression when the crack used to be really good.
It was carved in stone. Dvh!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeM
You've gotta be kidding me. The "V" is symbology used to connect the United States to the great values, ideas, authority and power of the once mighty superpower known as the Roman Empire. You've never seen the latin spelling of Ivlvs Caesar anywhere?. It wouldn't surprise me if that was on a local government building. Why do you think the Roman Quadriga is on top of the Wayne County Building? Just for art? Why is area of parkland in downtown called Campus Martius? Even names of US cities are connected to Rome. How about Cincinnatti named after the great Roman, Cincinnatus, who showed great leadership and civic virtue by not being corrupted by absolute power when he was voted dictator to put down a revolt and, then, surrendered his position and disbanded his army once order and safety was restored to Rome. What did they teach you in history class?Quote:
Originally Posted by One Shot
Aw, lay off him... it's not as though he/she has crossed the Rubicon! So don't get your Fasces in a twist.
Ironically it can be easy to get confused by the U/V exchanging of Roman lettering. Just look at the silver Peace Dollar, in circulation from 1921-35... the obverse of the coin uses the Roman "V" in "IN GOD WE TRVST"... but the reverse of the coin uses the "U". Check out the coin image:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Dollar
A simple web search would have answered his question. I'm embarrassed for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Yes, Please cut One Shot a little slack here, It was a legitimate question if you don't know.
Look around in the world, enough people struggle with Spelling already, History is a whole different subject! :confused:
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This archaic spelling is also used on the Administration Building for the Grosse Pointe School System on St. Clair:
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Thought this was pretty common knowledge.
Then again, gentle poster is from Shelby Township. I don't think they have many engraved stone buildings with Latin references in Shelby Township.
Best Bvy?
The European jeweler Bulgari uses the the "V" in place of the "U" in their name in their advertising.
Fvcking absvrd.
Damn I had no idea I was asking th stupid question of the year! Thanks all! I had a feeling it might be something like that. Just still seemed weird to me. Maybe if I seen the rest of of where this islocated my brain would start working again and the crack would dissolve from my system! :P
Ya and whats does someone from the snobburbs know anyways?
It's understandable. I don't recall seeing V for U until I visited New York.
It's okay--we had a lot of fun at your expense. *hug*Quote:
Originally Posted by One Shot
Federal Building in Downtown Windsor [[Paul Martin Building) - and many Federal Government Buildings of the same era in Canada have "Dominion Pvblic Building" over the door in stone.
Nothing stupid about it, in fact, in some of the early Popeye, I always wondered who that BRVTVS dude was.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Shot
Yeah, sure, to those of us who knew the answer, it seemed like a really stupid question, but don't feel bad, One Shot. When you wonder about something, and you figure that there is an explanation, there is not a goddam thing "stupid" about posing an investigatory question.
What is stupid is the amount of smug pedantry, running through this forum like a sewer line, coming from some folks who may have known the answer to your question but who, in so many other ways, probably couldn't find their ass with both hands.
What's a pedantry, Walter?
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Fvcking fvnny:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnlodge
Cincinnati was named after the Society of the Cincinnati, an organization of veteran Revolutionary War officers which took their inspiration and name from the history of Cincinnatus.Quote:
Originally Posted by davewindsor
Guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravine
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It's not a stupid question in my book. Why anyone would actually do that on a building boggles the mind. It has no common use in the normal state of affairs in modern times. To actually use it on a building is rather a great example of someone that is an idiotard, IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Shot
Yes, if you want to get really technical, the City of Cincinatti was named after the Society of Cincinnatti that was named after the Roman Dictator Cincinnatus for the values and inspiration he stood for. Ultimately, the name ties back to Rome. In addition, Cincinnati the city has a further connection with Rome through its nickname of "The City of Seven Hills" [3] [[a phrase commonly associated with Rome) and the town twinning program of Sister Cities International. [[FROM:: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cincinnati)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermod
"Guilty?"
Not so fast, O Embraceful Evader of Expressways. You are not smug, nor are you a pedant.
Actually, I'm just trying to remind everyone that forums like this one are a good place for questions like that one, and while most of us are quite the experts in certain fields, there are areas of knowledge about which we are 100% numb.
One of my first entries on DY! was my question about the significance of tied-together athletic shoes, hanging from overhead wires, in various spots throughout the city. Now, I never received The Definitive Answer [[although the discussion became quite lively & interesting,) but the point is that this forum was a good place to pose the question.
Speaking for myself, I possess immeasureable miles of collected knowledge about all kinds of stuff, but if two of my co-workers begin a discussion of auto repair, I become entirely lost immediately after the part where the hood of the car is lifted.
Here is my list of Things I Know About Handy-Man Stuff:
1. Difference between flat-head & phillips-head.
2. Can operate vice-grips.
3. How to check motor-oil and where to pour it when needed.
Stosh.... most of the government and bank buildings built before WWII were built in a Roman style. All of our coinage until 1946-47 had classic imagery as well.... and even the cent and nickel had classic reverses until recently. Go to Washington DC, and you will have a difficult time NOT seeing Roman architecture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stosh
Our alphabet, law, democracy and many many areas of our current civilization are built upon the foundations of Greco-Roman civilization.
Why would a "V" instead of a "U" seem out of place and dumb if we consider ourselves [[USA) collectively as the heirs of Caesar??
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Originally Posted by Gistok
Learning Latin and Greek and thus the classical civilizations was at one time the cornerstone of higher education in England and in the US. As a result, most of the "movers and shakers" prior to John Dewey and 1900 were classically educated.
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Stosh.... most of the government and bank buildings built before WWII were built in a Roman style. All of our coinage until 1946-47 had classic imagery as well.... and even the cent and nickel had classic reverses until recently. Go to Washington DC, and you will have a difficult time NOT seeing Roman architecture.
Our alphabet, law, democracy and many many areas of our current civilization are built upon the foundations of Greco-Roman civilization.
Why would a "V" instead of a "U" seem out of place and dumb if we consider ourselves [[USA) collectively as the heirs of Caesar??
Which reinforces my theory that most of the "movers and shakers" were, in fact, pretentious asshats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermod
"...Which reinforces my theory that most of the "movers and shakers" were, in fact, pretentious asshats...."
Thumbs up on that one, Stosh.
"Classically educated," my ass. Write in Roman, or write in English. "Our" language is already mutted-up with enough derivations and borrowed words & terms without deliberately mixing it with that type of shit, and the fact that it was done a long time ago is no excuse.
There have been numerous "revival" periods in this country's history. These revivals were little more than fads. Roman, Egyptian, Greek, etc. Heavy influences in style and literature. Where are they now? Dustbins of history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravine
Should be considered important? Of course. Do you need a V to signify a U? No. This is the separation between a fad and a serious architectural study. If this was so all fired important to do, the entire word should have been written in Latin. Authenticity!
And is this Detroit Sauings Bank? No.
http://detroityes.com/HeaderFlash/ga...bum1/3/189.jpg
And for that matter, within the coinage... Is it written "In God We Trvst"? Nope.
There are no STUPID question,
only
STUPID answers!!!
parochial school education!
The wayne covnty jail,i dont know why the buildings replaced u for v's but the did look all around on the jails and in e.market